Unforgivable Plot Holes In Manga 4i4813
17 years ago
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I want to know if anybody has come across a plot hole in a manga that was so big or so obvious it made you think that the writer didn't know how to write, or that they were cheating for the character(s) that benefited from it. The examples that I'm going to give are the ones I thought were too big to ignore in the story. 2k2m50
I also apologize for the length of these explanations, but I wanted to get every fact in so that no one could say that I left out something just so that it would seem like I was right.
WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD
Happy World
This one occurred in the VERY 1ST CHAPTER of the manga. The main character Takeshi is the typical unlucky male protagonist, except for the fact that he's REALLY unlucky. His house gets burned down 3 days before the story even starts and on the very 1st page of the manga, part of the telephone pole hits him on the head so hard that it looks like his part of his brains are coming out (At least that's what it's supposed to look like, the top of his head is pixelated).
Anyway, an angel named Elle comes down from Heaven. Takeshi then finds out from Elle that his own father ed all of the bad luck to him, and that she'll be his guardian angel from now on. She also says that he can the bad luck if he wants, and Takeshi decides to the bad luck to someone else. As soon as he says that, a biker es by and rides over a puddle splashing water over him. Takeshi tells Elle that he wants the bad luck ed onto the biker. Elle says that she can't it to him because Takeshi has to tell her the biker's name (Which is retarded because you think an angel would know the name of everyone on Earth, or have some type of power to find out the biker's name like the Shinigami on Death Note. But that's not the plot hole.).
After Takeshi gets beat up by the biker (It's like the bad luck's done everything to the poor dude except rape him), he finds a ball on the street. He picks up the ball and tells Elle that he'll throw the ball far away and whoever touches it first will get all of his bad luck. Elle agrees to do it and uses her powers to put a spell on the ball that would transfer the bad luck instantly.
There goes the plot hole right there. Why would he need to know the biker's name if he could have just picked up any object and have Elle use her powers to transfer the bad luck? When she told him that she needed the name of the biker, there must have been some kind of the security reason for it (Like Death Note again, with the rule of thinking of the person's face while writing the name so that you don't accidentally kill someone else with the same name as your target). But sadly, it's not like that.
Eyeshield 21
In Chapter 194, Deimon is losing to Shinryuuji 35-28 with :16 left, the clock is running down as they run a no-huddle offense, and they have 59 yards to go to score a touchdown. Hiruma throws a bomb to Monta and in Chapter 195, Monta catches it and runs down the field. Agon then comes out of nowhere (And the face he makes is one of the most scary/pissed off/badass faces I've seen in a manga/anime) and tackles Monta in bounds with 4 seconds left. The Devil Bats try to run downfield, but can't make it as time runs out. It looks like they lost, until the referee points out that Monta grabbed a piece of the sideline with his free hand when he was tackled. As a result, the clock is wound back to :04, and Deimon wins by scoring a touchdown and making the two-point conversion, with the final score 36-35.
WHAT. THE. HELL. Let me get something straight, Monta was tackled inbounds. With the ball inbounds. The ONLY part of his body that even went close to the sideline was his hand. Since the ball was inbounds when he was tackled, that clock should have stayed at :00 and Deimon should have lost. Instead, we get some crazy ass rule that says you can get tackled inbounds with the ball, but as long as you're touching the sideline with any part of your body after you get tackled, then it's okay.
At first, I thought that the writer of Eyeshield 21 was cheating for Deimon, but then I ed that he's Japanese, so he might not know every rule. But even if he didn't know every rule and did something like that, then that means he researched the rules of American Football very horribly and the only reason why Deimon is in the Christmas Bowl is because the writer is too stupid to research thoroughly.
It's because of this that I hope Teikoku beats Deimon, because if Deimon wins, then the entire manga will lose its' credibility.
P.S. Seeing it in the manga is confusing, so here a video link that shows how Agon tackled Monta inbounds:
My Balls
In Chapter 4, Lady Emanniel visits Kohta in his dreams. Kohta starts to spaz out and ask how she got from his balls to his dreams (Actually, the way she got to his balls seems plot hole, but I'll do that one if someone wants to know about it). So, Kohta asks how she's communicating with him in his dreams and Emanniel tells him that she's using her magic powers . Now at the end of Chapter 19, she comes to him and tells her that she's pregnant and that it's his baby. Kotha spazes out again and wonders how a demon and human can have a baby. That when Emanniel tells Kohta that she lost her powers and that a demon without her powers is basically a human.
And that where the plot hole pops up. Emanniel said earlier that she uses her powers to visit Kohta in his dreams. And now she's visiting Kohta in his dreams, powerless and pregnant. HOW THE HELL COULD SHE BE TALKING TO KOHTA IN HIS DREAMS IF SHE'S POWERLESS? Some people might say, "She used the last of her power to come to Kohta in his dreams", but if that's the case, then it wouldn't last that long. Seeing how she's been inside his balls for 19 days, and she's out of power already makes it so that she loses a HUGE part of her power every day. And since she would be losing huge parts of her power, if she even had any power left, there wouldn't be enough left to visit Kohta in his dreams. Personally, I think that the writer was making the story up as he went along.
Naruto
This one came out in Chapter 362 and Chapter 363. In Chapter 362, Deidara was fighting against Sasuke, Sasuke had run out of chakra (It was shown when Sasuke’s sharingan disappeared). Deidara used this last resort technique that had him rip the seams out of the mouth on his chest and fed it all of the C4 clay that it had. He then started to grow these weird ass lines all over his body and as Sasuke was trying to escape (He was about a few feet from him), Deidara told him that he couldn’t escape from it because the blast radius was 10 km. So, Deidara blew up and about everybody that was important to the story saw the blast. Suigetsu sees that the scroll that summoned Manda had the snake symbol disappeared, and then uses the scroll to summon Manda. When he summons the snake, Sasuke came out of its’ mouth alive and well. Suigetsu wonders how he did it, but then sees Manda’s eyes and figures out that Sasuke used genjutsu on it. The rest of Team Eagle (What they were called at the time), arrive as they help Sasuke up and leave.
There are SO many things that were wrong with this, but I’m going to choose the most obvious one. Sasuke was out of chakra, and yet he summoned a huge snake, used genjutsu on it, and went inside of it just in time to not get killed by the blast. HE DID ALL OF THAT WITH NO CHAKRA WHATSOEVER. And just in case I’m wrong about Sasuke having no chakra, there’s another plot hole that still exists. If the blast radius was 10 km, and if he was a few feet away, THEN HOW THE HELL DID HE SUMMON A SNAKE, USE GENJUTSU, AND GET IN ITS’ MOUTH THAT QUICKLY? It would’ve taken at the most 2 seconds for the blast to reach him, AND he didn’t have a scroll with him when it happened. There’s no logical way that can explain that. Hell, it takes more than 2 seconds to make a hand seal, so no one could say that he did it extra fast.
That gaping plot was the first sign for me that Naruto Part II (It’s not called Naruto: Shippūden, that’s the anime) was going to be worse than Part I, and it was going to have Sasuke as the main character. So far, I’ve been right about both things.
There go my examples of manga with big plot holes. Now I want to see what plot holes all you guys found.
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My Balls
In Chapter 4, Lady Emanniel visits Kohta in his dreams. Kohta starts to spaz out and ask how she got from his balls to his dreams (Actually, the way she got to his balls seems plot hole, but I'll do that one if someone wants to know about it). So, Kohta asks how she's communicating with him in his dreams and Emanniel tells him that she's using her magic powers . Now at the end of Chapter 19, she comes to him and tells her that she's pregnant and that it's his baby. Kotha spazes out again and wonders how a demon and human can have a baby. That when Emanniel tells Kohta that she lost her powers and that a demon without her powers is basically a human.
And that where the plot hole pops up. Emanniel said earlier that she uses her powers to visit Kohta in his dreams. And now she's visiting Kohta in his dreams, powerless and pregnant. HOW THE HELL COULD SHE BE TALKING TO KOHTA IN HIS DREAMS IF SHE'S POWERLESS? Some people might say, "She used the last of her power to come to Kohta in his dreams", but if that's the case, then it wouldn't last that long. Seeing how she's been inside his balls for 19 days, and she's out of power already makes it so that she loses a HUGE part of her power every day. And since she would be losing huge parts of her power, if she even had any power left, there wouldn't be enough left to visit Kohta in his dreams. Personally, I think that the writer was making the story up as he went along.
Answer to what you believe is a plot hole
she lost her powers, because he was touching her in that place that makes demons lose their powers (even if it was a dream, they could stimulate each other, that was her plan to make him cum…) anyway the whole plan was to weak her so the sperm that was about to burst went inside her… is hard to understand, but is not a plot hole, for that little bit (aka when a demon loses its powers) it becomes a human, so pregnancy is possible (and FUNNY) so even after she returned to be a demon, she was already pregnant
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As for the Naruto one, well, if Sasuke was really out of chakra, he'd be dead. And such a plot hole can be found in so many mangas. The author would probably say something like "There's something human about the will to live..." kinda like what happened in Rurouni Kenshin when Kenshin almost died fighting Shishio.
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Eyeshield 21
In Chapter 194, Deimon is losing to Shinryuuji 35-28 with :16 left, the clock is running down as they run a no-huddle offense, and they have 59 yards to go to score a touchdown. Hiruma throws a bomb to Monta and in Chapter 195, Monta catches it and runs down the field. Agon then comes out of nowhere (And the face he makes is one of the most scary/pissed off/badass faces I've seen in a manga/anime) and tackles Monta in bounds with 4 seconds left. The Devil Bats try to run downfield, but can't make it as time runs out. It looks like they lost, until the referee points out that Monta grabbed a piece of the sideline with his free hand when he was tackled. As a result, the clock is wound back to :04, and Deimon wins by scoring a touchdown and making the two-point conversion, with the final score 36-35.
WHAT. THE. HELL. Let me get something straight, Monta was tackled inbounds. With the ball inbounds. The ONLY part of his body that even went close to the sideline was his hand. Since the ball was inbounds when he was tackled, that clock should have stayed at :00 and Deimon should have lost. Instead, we get some crazy ass rule that says you can get tackled inbounds with the ball, but as long as you're touching the sideline with any part of your body after you get tackled, then it's okay.
At first, I thought that the writer of Eyeshield 21 was cheating for Deimon, but then I ed that he's Japanese, so he might not know every rule. But even if he didn't know every rule and did something like that, then that means he researched the rules of American Football very horribly and the only reason why Deimon is in the Christmas Bowl is because the writer is too stupid to research thoroughly.
It's because of this that I hope Teikoku beats Deimon, because if Deimon wins, then the entire manga will lose its' credibility.
P.S. Seeing it in the manga is confusing, so here a video link that shows how Agon tackled Monta inbounds:
I think this one is pretty straightfoward
the portion of grass out of bounds that monta grabs is to create the illusion that the ball dug into the ground at that point, which (unless they changed the rules and getting tackled out of bounds doesnt count as out of bounds) is out of bounds. so yeah monta cheats to win. :D
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My Balls
Answer to what you believe is a plot hole
she lost her powers, because he was touching her in that place that makes demons lose their powers (even if it was a dream, they could stimulate each other, that was her plan to make him cum…) anyway the whole plan was to weak her so the sperm that was about to burst went inside her… is hard to understand, but is not a plot hole, for that little bit (aka when a demon loses its powers) it becomes a human, so pregnancy is possible (and FUNNY) so even after she returned to be a demon, she was already pregnant
😀
But that doesn't explain how she was able to visit Kohta in his dreams if she was out of power. It was said by Irene that Emanniel was already weakened severely, so when Kohta would touch the seal, it would make her lose her powers so that the sperm would be able to go inside of her.
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As for the Naruto one, well, if Sasuke was really out of chakra, he'd be dead. And such a plot hole can be found in so many mangas. The author would probably say something like "There's something human about the will to live..." kinda like what happened in Rurouni Kenshin when Kenshin almost died fighting Shishio.
That would be messed up if Kishimoto actually answered it like that. I don't think that "the will to live" could let you do all of the things that Sasuke did in two seconds lol
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I think this one is pretty straightfoward
the portion of grass out of bounds that monta grabs is to create the illusion that the ball dug into the ground at that point, which (unless they changed the rules and getting tackled out of bounds doesnt count as out of bounds) is out of bounds. so yeah monta cheats to win. :D
lol then the referee should be fired instantly, because Monta showed that he grabbed the piece of the sideline
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Happy World
This one occurred in the VERY 1ST CHAPTER of the manga. The main character Takeshi is the typical unlucky male protagonist, except for the fact that he's REALLY unlucky. His house gets burned down 3 days before the story even starts and on the very 1st page of the manga, part of the telephone pole hits him on the head so hard that it looks like his part of his brain are coming out (At least that's what it's supposed to look like, the top of his head is pixelated).
Anyway, an angel named Elle comes down from Heaven. Takeshi then finds out from Elle that his own father ed all of the bad luck to him, and that she'll be his guardian angel from now on. She also says that he can the bad luck if he wants, and Takeshi decides to the bad luck to someone else. As soon as he says that, a biker es by and rides over a puddle splashing water over him. Takeshi tells Elle that he wants the bad luck ed onto the biker. Elle says that she can't it to him because Takeshi has to tell her the biker's name (Which is retarded because you think an angel would know the name of everyone on Earth, or have some type of power to find out the biker's name like the Shinigami on Death Note. But that's not the plot hole.).
After Takeshi gets beat up by the biker (It's like the bad luck's done everything to the poor dude except rape him), he finds a ball on the street. He picks up the ball and tells Elle that he'll throw the ball far away and whoever touches it first will get all of his bad luck. Elle agrees to do it and uses her powers to put a spell on the ball that would transfer the bad luck instantly.
There goes the plot hole right there. Why would he need to know the biker's name if he could have just picked up any object and have Elle use her powers to transfer the bad luck? When she told him that she needed the name of the biker, there must have been some kind of the security reason for it (Like Death Note again, with the rule of thinking of the person's face while writing the name so that you don't accidentally kill someone else with the same name as your target). But sadly, it's not like that.
I'm not sure I understand it right but...
He probably wanted to know who'd get the bad luck. He probably went for the biker because he judged him a bad man. Elle probably could only transfer the bad luck to living person who Takeshi really knew in person, so she couldn't do that to the biker, but she could transfer temporally to non animate object. So they do except for the fact that Takeshi felt sorry because the person who could get the bad luck could have been a good person.
Is it what you wanted to know?
Anyway HW is not a manga which always makes sense, like many manga in that genre. 😀
In My Balls you have the answer in chapter 20:
Lady Emmaniel is bluffing. She wasn't pregnant, she just pretended hoping that Kouta'd have let his guard down and so she still has her powesr (maybe they're only weakened but for sure she can visit in her dream). I think it's always better to wait a little before giving judgement, you made the mistake to take something said by a character for true, when it's not necessary it is.
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But that doesn't explain how she was able to visit Kohta in his dreams if she was out of power. It was said by Irene that Emanniel was already weakened severely, so when Kohta would touch the seal, it would make her lose her powers so that the sperm would be able to go inside of her.
Answer
When a Demon is touched in there they do lose their power, but it was never said for how long (I am guessing there is a time limit otherwise defeating the army of Demon is going to be as easy as hell), and yeah she is indeed much weaker, otherwise she would have already destroyed Kohta from inside
Try reading the chappie again, and you will see what I mean 🙂
I mean there are only 20 chapters, how long could take you to read them all? 15 mins tops 😀
17 years ago
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one minute he's in the mountains of china on the Goku path to using super chi blasts and shit.......the next he's back home in that shitty apt. having shitty fights against shitty wrestlers, looking just as shitty as he was 10volumes ago.... what the fuck was that, how did the manga change in an instant....it was like it was all a flash back, very disappointed...i had it at 9.8 then with a volume or 2, i have to drop.....that really pissed me off
then on top of that, wtf was up with that homo ass dancer, i dont give a fuck about him....i wanna see narushima beating people to death with his new fighting style......HIGHLY DISSAPOINTED
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THIS IS FOR THE MANGA MY BALLS
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My Balls
Answer to what you believe is a plot hole
she lost her powers, because he was touching her in that place that makes demons lose their powers (even if it was a dream, they could stimulate each other, that was her plan to make him cum…) anyway the whole plan was to weak her so the sperm that was about to burst went inside her… is hard to understand, but is not a plot hole, for that little bit (aka when a demon loses its powers) it becomes a human, so pregnancy is possible (and FUNNY) so even after she returned to be a demon, she was already pregnant
😀
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In My Balls you have the answer in chapter 20:
Lady Emmaniel is bluffing. She wasn't pregnant, she just pretended hoping that Kouta'd have let his guard down and so she still has her powers (maybe they're only weakened but for sure she can visit in her dream). I think it's always better to wait a little before giving judgement, you made the mistake to take something said by a character for true, when it's not necessary it is.
Thanks Chaoswind and reid1 for telling me about Chapter 20. I posted this before it came out and I just read it, so now it all makes sense...
Although there were two things that urked me in Chapter 20 that I have to point out.
Elyse yelled at Kohta that their contract was over, and went away. (It just goes to show that you can can come from Hell, and still be a selfish, immature little bitch.) But when Kohta was having sex with Emmaniel, she yelled for him to not come and shocked him out of it.
I thought that Elyse broke the contract when she said it was over, so how could the effects of it still work? (I might have missed some kind of loophole or something, but it still bothers me.)
And since Kohta's a masochist, wouldn't he have come from the shock that he received? He was already close to cumming anyway
I'll take both of your advice and not automatically assume (Though I might have done that just now lol), but if those things don't get resolved by the time this story is over, then I'm calling shenanigans.
THIS IS FOR THE MANGA HAPPY WORLD
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I'm not sure I understand it right but...
He probably wanted to know who'd get the bad luck. He probably went for the biker because he judged him a bad man. Elle probably could only transfer the bad luck to living person who Takeshi really knew in person, so she couldn't do that to the biker, but she could transfer temporally to non animate object. So they do except for the fact that Takeshi felt sorry because the person who could get the bad luck could have been a good person.
Is it what you wanted to know?
Anyway HW is not a manga which always makes sense, like many manga in that genre. 😀
Takeshi picked the biker because the biker just happened to be close by and he rode over the puddle that splashed water on him. He didn't know if the biker was bad or not, he was just pissed that the biker splashed water on him accidentally.
And the whole human/inanimate object thing would make sense, but it was NEVER explained in the story. No rules about having to know a person's name in order to the bad luck, no mentioning of it again in the story at all. If you create something in your story where you don't explain it at all and people have to assume what happened, then that's just bad writing, plain and simple.
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
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THIS IS FOR THE MANGA MY BALLS
Elyse yelled at Kohta that their contract was over, and went away. (It just goes to show that you can can come from Hell, and still be a selfish, immature little bitch.) But when Kohta was having sex with Emmaniel, she yelled for him to not come and shocked him out of it.
I thought that Elyse broke the contract when she said it was over, so how could the effects of it still work? (I might have missed some kind of loophole or something, but it still bothers me.)
And since Kohta's a masochist, wouldn't he have come from the shock that he received? He was already close to cumming anyway
I'll take both of your advice and not automatically assume (Though I might have done that just now lol), but if those things don't get resolved by the time this story is over, then I'm calling shenanigans.
My 2 cents:
I think Elyse just said it because she was pissed off, but she didn't break it. I mean it probably requires a kind of ritual to undo it (if it's possible because I thought until then that a pact with the devil is a pact forever). Again you shouldn't assume that everything people tell in a manga is right. Characters' POV is not Mangaka POV.
For the masochistic part, I can only give you a psychological explanation. A masochist should feel pleasure from pain because he interprets the pain as a punishment made for his good (Freud would have said that it derives from the love for an authoritarian mother). So for a masochistic when the partner inflicts him pain is just showing love. I don't think he could feel pleasure for just a random pain not related to the partner or the sexual act. I mean I don't think a masochistic would come if he got invested by a car. I'm pretty aware that it's not necessary what the mangaka had in mind, you should consider that this is a funny, almost non-sense, weird manga.
If you just reflect on how the story started heaven made a pact to give earth to hell after an amount of years and hell (where there are very very bad people) just wait calmly while heaven (where there are very very good people) broke the pact? Maybe we should just take the story for what it is without looking for complex interactions.
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THIS IS FOR THE MANGA HAPPY WORLD
Takeshi picked the biker because the biker just happened to be close by and he rode over the puddle that splashed water on him. He didn't know if the biker was bad or not, he was just pissed that the biker splashed water on him accidentally.
And the whole human/inanimate object thing would make sense, but it was NEVER explained in the story. No rules about having to know a person's name in order to the bad luck, no mentioning of it again in the story at all. If you create something in your story where you don't explain it at all and people have to assume what happened, then that's just bad writing, plain and simple.
You always start from the idea that EVERYTHING should be explained in the first place. But this is wrong. In EVERY manga there is something not fully explained but hinted. If in the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime the authors had explained every little thing happened the anime would have been made of 240 episodes instead of 24.
You should also take in that it's a fictional story. I mean I can ask you: "Where is set Naruto?" Another planet? Another galaxy? Another universe? Another time on Earth? Another parallel dimension? It doesn't matter, it wasn't the main point of the story. So it's for that part of the story in Happy World. Nobody (except you and me that I'm still writing :D) probably will ever cared about that stuff. :D
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reid1, we should meet in public. we'd have a field day talking and debating about manga lol. I don't think that everything in a story needs explaining, but just certain things that don't follow the rules that were made in the universe, or the rules in real life. The reason why I posted this is because I want to become a writer and I wanted to see people's opinions about plot holes.
Before I wanted to become a writer, I would go read any story.without worrying about past events, how characters acted, the rules for the story's universe, etc. Then, when I would go on the internet to see what other people thought about the current story that I was reading. i would see all these people breaking down the story and talking about what was good and what was bad (Most of the rants were about the bad parts.) When I decided to become a writer, I ed those rants and because of that, I try to learn what makes a story good and what really makes it really popular. That's why I question everything in a story that I don't understand. When someone can explain it to me so that I can understand it, it actually helps me learn how to make my stories better. I'm trying to make my 3 stories as good as possible without any plot holes so that people can truly enjoy it.
Now that I outed myself 🤣 , have you come across any plot holes in a manga (or any story)?
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one minute he's in the mountains of china on the Goku path to using super chi blasts and shit.......the next he's back home in that shitty apt. having shitty fights against shitty wrestlers, looking just as shitty as he was 10volumes ago.... what the fuck was that, how did the manga change in an instant....it was like it was all a flash back, very disappointed...i had it at 9.8 then with a volume or 2, i have to drop.....that really pissed me off
then on top of that, wtf was up with that homo ass dancer, i dont give a fuck about him....i wanna see narushima beating people to death with his new fighting style......HIGHLY DISSAPOINTED
I haven't read Shamo yet. How is it?
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
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What about cliffhanger endings?
Those truly suck
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What about cliffhanger endings?
Those truly suck
I do hate stories with cliffhanger endings. Can you tell me what manga you read that had cliffhanger endings? The only ones I read so far that had them were Kurozakuro and Zombie Powder (And that's because they were both canceled)
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
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The bit in the final arc of Rurouni Kenshin where....
It suddenly becomes possible, in 1800s Japan, to make a puppet of someone's body which will convince their closest friends, including a trained doctor, that they are dead...
ok so it was an awesome suckerpunch storyline, and this is a manga where swords can cut through rock, but even so.. 😀
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I haven't read Shamo yet. How is it?
it's dope up untill about volume 20....then it hits that "plot hole"
