Unforgivable Plot Holes In Manga 4i4813
17 years ago
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BLEACH 4e3r6t
First chapter Ichigo's father enter the room and Ichigo tell him that he's talking to the samurai girl near him (Rukia). He doesn't see anything and Rukia explained that ORDINARY MEN couldn't see a shinigami.
At the end of Volume 21 Ichigo's father makes his appearance in the story as a shinigami or I don't know what. He got superpowers, he kicks shinigami asses, he can see his son while he's a shinigami, he can see OTHER SHINIGAMI, he's related to soul society in a don't know which manner because I stopped reading that crappy manga.
So I can only suppose (or maybe you have a better idea) that the mangaka didn't take in to transform him in a ex shinigami from the beginning but made that up during the story because he didn't know how to progress (in fact next arc is also the same as the previous one). Even if you and people can explain this in a reasonable manner, I won't change my opinion about that.
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Personally, I think I understood everything
The father knew everything from the beginning. He was faking ignorance. Simple, isn't it?
17 years ago
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I dropped Bleach for other reasons so i don't know recent chapters, but isn't there explained that his father lost his power, but for some reason he regain it, after Aizen go to hollow-land 😀
17 years ago
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So, anybody else have some examples?
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
17 years ago
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But it seems to me that all the Ichigo's family ed the same stuff.
Which just means that the memory it creates is random in itself and not random per person. It would be a bit useless otherwise.
17 years ago
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ok as far as the Eyeshield21 is concerned rules of football state that if any part of your body touches out of bounds before you are tackled then the clock is stopped at that time, so if he wasnt ruled down and touched out of bounds the clock is stopped and the ball is placed where it was ruled out of bounds; however, if you are tackled in bounds and touch out of bounds after then it is considered an in bounds tackle then the clock is not stopped. pure and simple rules no room for debate.
17 years ago
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no room for debate.
lol you should never say that around me, because it'll make me defend my opinion even more...
Anyway, go to the link I provided and pause it as soon as it hits 2:30 (because the dust is covering a hashmark that gets shown). If you look at the sideline, it's completely untouched. And even though Monta reached out before he was down, you can see that there are 6 hashmarks shown. So, unless Monta grabbed the sideline and Agon grabbed him while making a diving tackle that propelled both of them 7 yards down the field (which would be physically impossible), the clock should've stayed at :00 and Deimon should've lost.
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The cool part is that I never get tired of being deceived
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
Inuyasha No one ever talks about Kagome's father >.>
And in Bleach... How are soul's supposed to grow up but then stay the same for a thousand years or so? Dies that mean Ruika was like a kid when she died =.=?
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17 years ago
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that is rather unclear, but I hear it was explained in the databook with is why I want a translation (even in word) of it
17 years ago
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BLEACH
First chapter Ichigo's father enter the room and Ichigo tell him that he's talking to the samurai girl near him (Rukia). He doesn't see anything and Rukia explained that ORDINARY MEN couldn't see a shinigami.
At the end of Volume 21 Ichigo's father makes his appearance in the story as a shinigami or I don't know what. He got superpowers, he kicks shinigami asses, he can see his son while he's a shinigami, he can see OTHER SHINIGAMI, he's related to soul society in a don't know which manner because I stopped reading that crappy manga.
So I can only suppose (or maybe you have a better idea) that the mangaka didn't take in to transform him in a ex shinigami from the beginning but made that up during the story because he didn't know how to progress (in fact next arc is also the same as the previous one). Even if you and people can explain this in a reasonable manner, I won't change my opinion about that.
Personally, I think I understood everything
The father knew everything from the beginning. He was faking ignorance. Simple, isn't it?
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thats because it was later revealed that his shinigami powers were locked when he left soul socity
17 years ago
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Eyeshield 21
In Chapter 194, Deimon is losing to Shinryuuji 35-28 with :16 left, the clock is running down as they run a no-huddle offense, and they have 59 yards to go to score a touchdown. Hiruma throws a bomb to Monta and in Chapter 195, Monta catches it and runs down the field. Agon then comes out of nowhere (And the face he makes is one of the most scary/pissed off/badass faces I've seen in a manga/anime) and tackles Monta in bounds with 4 seconds left. The Devil Bats try to run downfield, but can't make it as time runs out. It looks like they lost, until the referee points out that Monta grabbed a piece of the sideline with his free hand when he was tackled. As a result, the clock is wound back to :04, and Deimon wins by scoring a touchdown and making the two-point conversion, with the final score 36-35.
WHAT. THE. HELL. Let me get something straight, Monta was tackled inbounds. With the ball inbounds. The ONLY part of his body that even went close to the sideline was his hand. Since the ball was inbounds when he was tackled, that clock should have stayed at :00 and Deimon should have lost. Instead, we get some crazy ass rule that says you can get tackled inbounds with the ball, but as long as you're touching the sideline with any part of your body after you get tackled, then it's okay.
At first, I thought that the writer of Eyeshield 21 was cheating for Deimon, but then I ed that he's Japanese, so he might not know every rule. But even if he didn't know every rule and did something like that, then that means he researched the rules of American Football very horribly and the only reason why Deimon is in the Christmas Bowl is because the writer is too stupid to research thoroughly.
It's because of this that I hope Teikoku beats Deimon, because if Deimon wins, then the entire manga will lose its' credibility.
P.S. Seeing it in the manga is confusing, so here a video link that shows how Agon tackled Monta inbounds:
Here is the answer to the Eyeshield 21 question
In football if any part of the individual that has the ball touches out of bounds (hands, feet, anything) then that person is ruled out and the clock stops. He grabbed the dirt so his hand was out of bounds. You are to assume that his hand touched out of bounds before his knee hit the ground (if his knee hits the ground first then he is ruled in bounds and the time keeps going). So, in reality the writer was correct on the ruling and the play would stop.
17 years ago
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Here is the answer to the Eyeshield 21 question
In football if any part of the individual that has the ball touches out of bounds (hands, feet, anything) then that person is ruled out and the clock stops. He grabbed the dirt so his hand was out of bounds. You are to assume that his hand touched out of bounds before his knee hit the ground (if his knee hits the ground first then he is ruled in bounds and the time keeps going). So, in reality the writer was correct on the ruling and the play would stop.
Read the reply that I gave for GenForrest's explanation.
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The cool part is that I never get tired of being deceived
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
17 years ago
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Eyeshield 21
In Chapter 194, Deimon is losing to Shinryuuji 35-28 with :16 left, the clock is running down as they run a no-huddle offense, and they have 59 yards to go to score a touchdown. Hiruma throws a bomb to Monta and in Chapter 195, Monta catches it and runs down the field. Agon then comes out of nowhere (And the face he makes is one of the most scary/pissed off/badass faces I've seen in a manga/anime) and tackles Monta in bounds with 4 seconds left. The Devil Bats try to run downfield, but can't make it as time runs out. It looks like they lost, until the referee points out that Monta grabbed a piece of the sideline with his free hand when he was tackled. As a result, the clock is wound back to :04, and Deimon wins by scoring a touchdown and making the two-point conversion, with the final score 36-35.
WHAT. THE. HELL. Let me get something straight, Monta was tackled inbounds. With the ball inbounds. The ONLY part of his body that even went close to the sideline was his hand. Since the ball was inbounds when he was tackled, that clock should have stayed at :00 and Deimon should have lost. Instead, we get some crazy ass rule that says you can get tackled inbounds with the ball, but as long as you're touching the sideline with any part of your body after you get tackled, then it's okay.
At first, I thought that the writer of Eyeshield 21 was cheating for Deimon, but then I ed that he's Japanese, so he might not know every rule. But even if he didn't know every rule and did something like that, then that means he researched the rules of American Football very horribly and the only reason why Deimon is in the Christmas Bowl is because the writer is too stupid to research thoroughly.
It's because of this that I hope Teikoku beats Deimon, because if Deimon wins, then the entire manga will lose its' credibility.
P.S. Seeing it in the manga is confusing, so here a video link that shows how Agon tackled Monta inbounds:
Simply put: the anime screwed up. That top down shot of Agon tackling Monta was never in the manga. One frame Monta was in midair and the next frame he was on the ground: Chapter 195 page 14 (navigate to the next page to see him on the ground.) The next chapter explicitly shows Monta in midair reaching for that chunk of grass: Chap 196 page 9. Given the shot in chap 195 page 15 that showed the position of Monta's arm, it's clear he grabbed the dirt in mid-air and not after being tackled. A bunch of people already explained the ruling. Granted the entire fiasco shows Monta somehow stretching his arm than should be possible (I think), but take out that one top-down view of Monta getting tackled in the anime and it all fits.
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17 years ago
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thats because it was later revealed that his shinigami powers were locked when he left soul socity
i prefer the feigning ingornace, he said something similar to kon when he told him
he never called him ichigo when he was in his body
on eyeshield, im more amazed how an entire chapter can only take place over 5 sec yet the players can have 18+ pages of mental monolouge. but thats also one of the reason i like it
17 years ago
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True grave is right. The anime is flawed, Musashi doesn't even have his mohawk yet.
17 years ago
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Well, since about 6 or 7 people came here and all said pretty much the same thing about the Eyeshield 21 topic, I'll just have to concede defeat. All I can say is that the mangaka should've done that better.
At least everyone agrees on the Happy World and Naruto ones...
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on eyeshield, im more amazed how an entire chapter can only take place over 5 sec yet the players can have 18+ pages of mental monolouge. but thats also one of the reason i like it
Yeah, it's like what happened in the chapter that just came out. EVERYBODY on the field was thinking to themselves and/or the whole chapter, along with the fact that they do a trick play, then do a flea-flicker, THEN do a floater in just 3 seconds.
And I'm guessing that the run that Sena made for the touchdown will be only 1 second, so there'll be at least 4 seconds left in the next chapter
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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.
